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		<title>By: Greg23</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 22:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had the American Express Centurion since it was first introduced in USA and than Europe. I have both the US one and the Italian one. They are extremely different cards from a benefit point of view.

The Euro one is much better for travel insurance, international airlines and general events service. The US version instead is ideal if travelling within the country since thanks to the airline programs one can easily get upgraded all the time. Also some of the by invitation only events are very interesting, especially if you have kids.

I enjoy both in the same way even though in Italy the fee is 3,000 Euros per year and in the US it is now 2,500$. However, doing alot of travelling with my family it always justifies the cost.

If the fees will go up again and the service and perks don&#039;t get a big upgrade I will probably drop the card and go back to Platinum which is still amazing for the cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had the American Express Centurion since it was first introduced in USA and than Europe. I have both the US one and the Italian one. They are extremely different cards from a benefit point of view.</p>
<p>The Euro one is much better for travel insurance, international airlines and general events service. The US version instead is ideal if travelling within the country since thanks to the airline programs one can easily get upgraded all the time. Also some of the by invitation only events are very interesting, especially if you have kids.</p>
<p>I enjoy both in the same way even though in Italy the fee is 3,000 Euros per year and in the US it is now 2,500$. However, doing alot of travelling with my family it always justifies the cost.</p>
<p>If the fees will go up again and the service and perks don&#8217;t get a big upgrade I will probably drop the card and go back to Platinum which is still amazing for the cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 19:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had a Centurion card since the beginning. I am by no means a plutocrat but had a friend at Amex and I was slightly known at that time as I&#039;d written a couple of novels. my friend put in a good word for me, and lo, it arrived.

When the annual fee was about £600 I absolutely loved having the card. I travelled a lot and found the upgrades and insurance made it worthwhile. Many years later, I rarely travel and the fee is now £1,800. This year I&#039;ve made some travel enquiries and the concierge promised to get back to me and never did (this happened twice). Recently I telephoned to pay my bill with a credit card, the operator duly took the number. 2 weeks later i called about something else, and found out they had not actually taken the payment. I had to give the number again and it was duly processed. 

Everyone always very polite on the phone but the service is unreliable. I dislike the titanium, it is pointlessly flash. Several times in Waitrose the card jammed the machine, rendering it temporarily inoperable for the next customer. 

If you are a WAG or desperate to impress I suppose it&#039;s for you, but if this is your way of impressing people I suggest you need therapy. I increasingly find the whole thing a bit flash and am currently replacing it with a platinum version. it will be a relief not to receive the heavy magazines featuring so called `deals&#039; which are far more expensive than anything you could book yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had a Centurion card since the beginning. I am by no means a plutocrat but had a friend at Amex and I was slightly known at that time as I&#8217;d written a couple of novels. my friend put in a good word for me, and lo, it arrived.</p>
<p>When the annual fee was about £600 I absolutely loved having the card. I travelled a lot and found the upgrades and insurance made it worthwhile. Many years later, I rarely travel and the fee is now £1,800. This year I&#8217;ve made some travel enquiries and the concierge promised to get back to me and never did (this happened twice). Recently I telephoned to pay my bill with a credit card, the operator duly took the number. 2 weeks later i called about something else, and found out they had not actually taken the payment. I had to give the number again and it was duly processed. </p>
<p>Everyone always very polite on the phone but the service is unreliable. I dislike the titanium, it is pointlessly flash. Several times in Waitrose the card jammed the machine, rendering it temporarily inoperable for the next customer. </p>
<p>If you are a WAG or desperate to impress I suppose it&#8217;s for you, but if this is your way of impressing people I suggest you need therapy. I increasingly find the whole thing a bit flash and am currently replacing it with a platinum version. it will be a relief not to receive the heavy magazines featuring so called `deals&#8217; which are far more expensive than anything you could book yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Enam Rahman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Enam Rahman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the Centurion card. The annual fee when it was first launched was $1000 a year. I think it was 2006 when they changed it to $2500 a year. Then, somewhere around 2008, they added the $5000 initiation fee. Up until 2006, the annual spending requirement was $150,000. You could then call and request an account review and see if you qualify. Now, it’s a $250,000 minimum spend and Amex has to invite you. I’ve heard there are people who have spent more than the minimum $250,000 and still haven’t gotten an invitation. It’s solely up to their discretion.

The Platinum card is just as good. It has almost all of the same benefits with the exception of airline status on Delta, US Airways, Continental (which is ending in October) and Virgin Atlantic. You also get Avis President’s Club and Intercontinental Hotels Platinum level. There are several other perks as well, but nothing significant.

I guess the biggest perk is that you can flash you’re titanium card and impress other people next to you, unless you live in LA or NYC. There are so many Centurions in those cities that you’d think they were standard issued along with a Mercedes and BMW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the Centurion card. The annual fee when it was first launched was $1000 a year. I think it was 2006 when they changed it to $2500 a year. Then, somewhere around 2008, they added the $5000 initiation fee. Up until 2006, the annual spending requirement was $150,000. You could then call and request an account review and see if you qualify. Now, it’s a $250,000 minimum spend and Amex has to invite you. I’ve heard there are people who have spent more than the minimum $250,000 and still haven’t gotten an invitation. It’s solely up to their discretion.</p>
<p>The Platinum card is just as good. It has almost all of the same benefits with the exception of airline status on Delta, US Airways, Continental (which is ending in October) and Virgin Atlantic. You also get Avis President’s Club and Intercontinental Hotels Platinum level. There are several other perks as well, but nothing significant.</p>
<p>I guess the biggest perk is that you can flash you’re titanium card and impress other people next to you, unless you live in LA or NYC. There are so many Centurions in those cities that you’d think they were standard issued along with a Mercedes and BMW.</p>
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		<title>By: Bemused Diner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bemused Diner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 14:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen this card once, at a restaurant.

The holder had decided that he did not like his meal (too something or other) and that he wanted a discount (we are talking about £20 or so) and was making a scene.

The Front of House manager was not being as responsive as he would&#039;ve liked, so he pulled out the card, and said &quot;Look - see that?  Do you know what THAT means?&quot;

Well, he didn&#039;t (egg-on-face for the cardholder) and was suitable unimpressed.  The restaurant was a small business, not affiliated with AMEX in any way.

I then decided that I didn&#039;t ever want to get this card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen this card once, at a restaurant.</p>
<p>The holder had decided that he did not like his meal (too something or other) and that he wanted a discount (we are talking about £20 or so) and was making a scene.</p>
<p>The Front of House manager was not being as responsive as he would&#8217;ve liked, so he pulled out the card, and said &#8220;Look &#8211; see that?  Do you know what THAT means?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, he didn&#8217;t (egg-on-face for the cardholder) and was suitable unimpressed.  The restaurant was a small business, not affiliated with AMEX in any way.</p>
<p>I then decided that I didn&#8217;t ever want to get this card.</p>
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		<title>By: kenny g</title>
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		<dc:creator>kenny g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 22:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another disadvantage/cost of the black card is that the membership rewards program doesn&#039;t have American and United Airlines. Also you&#039;re losing out on additional miles by charging to the Amex card. For example, you can get 2 miles per $ spent on &quot;everyday&quot; charges to a United Visa + 5K EQM at $35K. Charging to a Starwood card gives you the option of transferring points at a ratio of 10k starwood points gives 12.5K airline miles. The Virgin Atlantic Amex gives 1.5 miles/$ spent. Some Delta Amex cards give a 50% mileage bonus after charging $30K and $60K + EQMs. Assuming a mile is worth $0.05 when using it for an upgrde, charging $250,000 to an Amex card may cost as much as $6250 in lost miles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another disadvantage/cost of the black card is that the membership rewards program doesn&#8217;t have American and United Airlines. Also you&#8217;re losing out on additional miles by charging to the Amex card. For example, you can get 2 miles per $ spent on &#8220;everyday&#8221; charges to a United Visa + 5K EQM at $35K. Charging to a Starwood card gives you the option of transferring points at a ratio of 10k starwood points gives 12.5K airline miles. The Virgin Atlantic Amex gives 1.5 miles/$ spent. Some Delta Amex cards give a 50% mileage bonus after charging $30K and $60K + EQMs. Assuming a mile is worth $0.05 when using it for an upgrde, charging $250,000 to an Amex card may cost as much as $6250 in lost miles.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not about self esteem: it&#039;s about about making life easier.  I now have lounge access at every airport, I have upgrades to Club rooms or suites at every hotel I visit, I get the best table at every restaurant, and travelling to Europe gets me cheaper partner fares for my wife.  The Black Card actually saves me money.  Please don&#039;t make this a class or jealously thing and just examine what it can do for you if you own one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not about self esteem: it&#8217;s about about making life easier.  I now have lounge access at every airport, I have upgrades to Club rooms or suites at every hotel I visit, I get the best table at every restaurant, and travelling to Europe gets me cheaper partner fares for my wife.  The Black Card actually saves me money.  Please don&#8217;t make this a class or jealously thing and just examine what it can do for you if you own one.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Centurion is worth it (or not) depending on its use.  For me, the platinum status on USair alone pretty much pays for the card as I see it -- I probably get 8-10 first class upgrades (round trip) a year off the cheapest coach fare, without having to travel like a lunatic for status.   The travel concierge is terrible however.   And some great benefits (like starwood platinum) have been lost over the years.....   Ironically, I think the more money you have, the less you use the real benefit (from my perspective) which is the elite airline status feature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Centurion is worth it (or not) depending on its use.  For me, the platinum status on USair alone pretty much pays for the card as I see it &#8212; I probably get 8-10 first class upgrades (round trip) a year off the cheapest coach fare, without having to travel like a lunatic for status.   The travel concierge is terrible however.   And some great benefits (like starwood platinum) have been lost over the years&#8230;..   Ironically, I think the more money you have, the less you use the real benefit (from my perspective) which is the elite airline status feature.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got invited today. Guess I&#039;m not getting one , then. Too many negative reports from everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got invited today. Guess I&#8217;m not getting one , then. Too many negative reports from everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Call me m</title>
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		<dc:creator>Call me m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked in an upscale hotel in the dining rooms 25 years ago and can tell you that I wasn&#039;t impressed by the titanium cards (although we called them silver then).

I had graduated college during a very bad recession, similar to now, where it was hard to find work so took what I could. I waited tables through college, and while it wasn&#039;t my ideal, waited tables after college to pay my bills. 

I was trying to establish credit (this was before the credit card companies handed out cards willy-nilly) and was surprised when AMEX mailed me a pre-approved credit card offer. I decided to respond to it to boost my creditworthiness.

About two weeks later, I received a curt response from AMEX saying that I wasn&#039;t elegible to receive a card and could call a certain number to find out why. I called, did not get any reason why and wrote them a response saying they sent me an unsolicited, pre-approved offer. I accepted in an effort to build my creditworthiness; what criteria had they used to send me such a thing in the first place if they hadn&#039;t intended to make good on it? Never mind, just remove my name and information from all the lists, as I shall never do business with AMEX.

That was twenty-eight years ago, I never looked back, and three years ago, they started their mail barrage again. How I deserved their status card, what benefits I&#039;d have with their membership. 

I did look at the literature they sent, and were I charging a lot of business expenses or travelling and dining out frequently, then perhaps it might suit. I treated this as I would any product that has a certain cost threshhold: i.e., I review it to see if I find it a good value for me. Apparently, my 800+ credit rating caught their attention, which is why they wanted me as a customer. I called and asked them if they would kindly remove my name and contact info from all their lists. Simply put, I didn&#039;t need their product, and am glad that I don&#039;t need a piece of plastic to boost my self-esteem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked in an upscale hotel in the dining rooms 25 years ago and can tell you that I wasn&#8217;t impressed by the titanium cards (although we called them silver then).</p>
<p>I had graduated college during a very bad recession, similar to now, where it was hard to find work so took what I could. I waited tables through college, and while it wasn&#8217;t my ideal, waited tables after college to pay my bills. </p>
<p>I was trying to establish credit (this was before the credit card companies handed out cards willy-nilly) and was surprised when AMEX mailed me a pre-approved credit card offer. I decided to respond to it to boost my creditworthiness.</p>
<p>About two weeks later, I received a curt response from AMEX saying that I wasn&#8217;t elegible to receive a card and could call a certain number to find out why. I called, did not get any reason why and wrote them a response saying they sent me an unsolicited, pre-approved offer. I accepted in an effort to build my creditworthiness; what criteria had they used to send me such a thing in the first place if they hadn&#8217;t intended to make good on it? Never mind, just remove my name and information from all the lists, as I shall never do business with AMEX.</p>
<p>That was twenty-eight years ago, I never looked back, and three years ago, they started their mail barrage again. How I deserved their status card, what benefits I&#8217;d have with their membership. </p>
<p>I did look at the literature they sent, and were I charging a lot of business expenses or travelling and dining out frequently, then perhaps it might suit. I treated this as I would any product that has a certain cost threshhold: i.e., I review it to see if I find it a good value for me. Apparently, my 800+ credit rating caught their attention, which is why they wanted me as a customer. I called and asked them if they would kindly remove my name and contact info from all their lists. Simply put, I didn&#8217;t need their product, and am glad that I don&#8217;t need a piece of plastic to boost my self-esteem.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 06:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did your problem ever resolve, Roger?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did your problem ever resolve, Roger?</p>
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